Haven’t posted anything proper in a while so have this…. thing as compensation. This took 7 hours of me loosing my will to live but it’s fine,,, I’m okay I’ll live
Random TLJ thought, but I find it very interesting and clever that early on when Luke asks Rey, “Where’s Han?”, the next shot immediately cuts to Kylo/Ben.
Then later in that scene with Snoke and Kylo, Snoke demeans Kylo by saying something along the lines of Kylo still having his father’s heart.
Then near the end of the film when Luke confronts Ben, Luke tells him how he would always be with him, just like his father. Then his final words, which are to Ben, are clearly something Han would say, “See ya around, kid.” This clearly shakes Ben.
Soon afterwards, Ben finds Han’s dice, and while they physically disappear, Han’s presence does not. For as hard as Ben tries to eliminate the physical manifestations of his past, the past will always be a part of him; it will never leave him, just like Han.
“Where’s Han?”
With Ben Solo.
…I mean… I suppose I sorta already knew this in my heart… bUT YOU JUST HAD TO TYPE IT OUT TO MAKE IT HURT MORE DIDN’T YOU!?
FUCKING HELL
You know what else kills me is that I’m reminded of that moment in Aftermath, when Han was with baby Ben, and he’s talking to Leia about how he’s worried he’ll be a bad father. About how he can’t connect and never will be able to connect with Ben the same way Leia can, because she and Ben are Force Sensitive… He thinks he’s out of place. And yet, the only way to make Ben stop crying instantly, was for Han to pick him up and hold him against his chest.
We know now for sure that Ben never hated his father. In fact I think they were closer than the general audience believed, or at least wanted to be. Han’s lack of understanding of the Force held him back a lot. But I can’t help but feel that despite all the mess that is this family, there was a lot of love there between father and son. And a real connection. But a lack of communication and understanding keeping them apart.
Look at them now. Han is more connected to Ben than ever. Seems everyone’s bent on making connections and comparisons between him and Han. No matter how Ben/Kylo tries to shake it, it’s there. A constant reminder.
We believed that Han’s death would ultimately be what kickstarts his path to redemption and I think it’s clear we were right. Ben is constantly followed by the ‘ghost’ of his father in this film. Maybe to help him stay on that path…
“I won’t always be the best dad… But I promise I’ll always keep us pointed in the right direction.” “Sometimes doing the right thing, doesn’t mean going in a straight line. Sometimes you gotta just… [makes zig zag motions]”
Ahhhhh goodness thank you darling! This really means so much. Pacing is such a monster, and sometimes it feels like trying to beat a square peg into a round hole when I JUST WANNA TELL THE STORY. Hahah. I really appreciate that you say you could sense the consideration of the characters’ inner thoughts…I considered A LOT, to like, obsessive degrees! This fic/series was basically all I did for months and months and I’m so emotional over the fact that it’s going to be finished soon. I will cry. D:
“Thanks, babe,” Kylo mumbled, turning his head to blow the smoke away from Hux. His next exhale was long—a gray trail of tar and burnt leaf and the city air that dissipated much sooner than his anxiety did. “God, what if they don’t like my stuff? Or worse, if they think I’m just some kind of one-hit wonder, with no potential for any real future?” He leaned instinctively towards Hux, his hands shaking.
Hux didn’t remonstrate him. Instead, he plucked at Kylo’s scarf, rearranging it into artful disarray, tucking one end into Kylo’s coat. Kylo watched his hands, like their own form of hypnosis.
Finally, Hux reached up and tucked a lock of hair behind Kylo’s ear, beneath his hat. “They’re going to love you,” he said softly, tracing his thumb down Kylo’s cheek. “Because who wouldn’t?”
Kylo/Ben’s storyline puzzles me in one major way. Long before he ever destroys Luke’s new Jedi Order, everyone was worried that there was “darkness in him.” But we never hear exactly why.
In TFA, Han and Leia have a (necessarily) vague conversation about the causes of Ben’s fall. Leia tells Han, “it was Snoke. He seduced our son to the dark side.” So whatever Leia detected in Ben that made her worry, she at least explains it to herself later as the result of Snoke’s influence. Han just says “there was too much Vader in him.” So Han thinks it’s genetics and Leia thinks he got it from the creep down the street, but neither of them talk about any cause within Ben himself.
Luke in TLJ gives us more specifics. Apologies for not remembering the exact quote, but he says something like, “I had sensed the darkness growing within him and seen glimpses of it in moments during his training, but when I looked inside his mind, it was worse than I had ever imagined.“ Still, though, that’s super vague. Like, did Ben do fucked-up things? Or was Luke sensing a darkness that he got a better look at when Ben was asleep? And by the way, what does Luke see when he looks into Ben’s sleeping mind? We hear chaos and screaming – is that what’s going on in there in thepresent moment? Are these Ben’s fantasies of destruction? Or, as Luke’s actual dialogue suggests when he fears that Ben is going to destroy everything he loves, is he just seeing a vision of what Ben is going to do, all the destruction he’s going to cause?
In Aftermath: Empire’s End, Leia senses Ben’s spirit when he’s in her womb: “He is less a human-shaped thing and more a pulsing, living band of light. Light that sometimes dims, that sometimes is thrust through with a vein of darkness.“ Luke tells her that this darkness is normal, that we all have it, but Leia worries anyway. She worries about what will happen to this child she’s bringing into an unstable galaxy.
My point is: whenever Ben’s family worries about the darkness in him, they either express it in metaphorical light/dark terms, or purely as anxiety about the future, a fear of what Ben could or might do. We hear almost nothing about what he’s like as a person at that moment.
In the TFA novelization, Leia says a bit more to Han: that Ben was “born with an equal potential for good or evil.” But isn’t everybody? It’s only critical for Ben because he’s so powerful and his good or bad choices could majorly affect the galaxy. But still, nobody describes his character traits before he falls, they only talk about his futurity.
This must be on purpose, because the sequel trilogy (picking up from the prequels) makes a big deal about the dangers of predicting or even just anticipating the future. Kylo and Rey see each other’s futures and get everything about each other wrong. Luke, after getting a glimpse of Ben’s future, does the exact thing that will make that future happen. The tie-in novels imply that Leia’s worry about Ben’s darkness might actually make it worse. So we’re urged to conclude that everyone’s fears that Ben might turn dark in fact helped turn him dark. If you don’t accept the dark side, you give it more power. And you alienate your kid.
But it’s frustrating, because Ben before his fall is just this black box. It’s like he doesn’t really exist, except as pure potential, until he takes that definitive step and becomes Kylo Ren. We’re told that from the beginning, he was equally “light” and “dark,” but the Force is just a metaphor for a person’s character. In the prequel trilogy, we saw the flaws in Anakin’s character that led him to the dark side. We saw in fact how his good qualities exacerbated his bad ones. We saw the struggle of “light” and “dark” play out in the dynamics of an individual personality. But with Ben, that’s all hidden from us. It’s all buried in a past we’re never shown.
Now, you could say he was just a good kid influenced by an evil external power. But that’s…not very satisfying. So what, if we took Snoke out of the equation, Ben would have turned out just fine? The conflict of light with dark isn’t nearly as interesting if it doesn’t emerge from Ben’s own character. Anakin is critically influenced by Palpatine, but Palpatine needed something to work with that was already there, and the story tells uswhat that was. Snoke is an evil predator, certainly, but because Star Wars is an allegorical fairy tale, he must also represent something internal to Ben. What in Ben himself was dark, and how did it manifest itself? We can speculate, but it’s almost as if the story deliberately hides the sorts of specifics that would let us understand him as a real person.
I guess what I’m asking is: where does the sequel trilogy think evil comes from?
Regarding Ben’s character, the tie-in novels do give us a few hints to work with, something in the nature of a strength that can also be a flaw, as we saw with Anakin:
In Bloodline, Leia remembers him as a child: ”[Another kid’s] expression reminded her a little bit of Ben’s when he was little, running in after an afternoon of roughhousing with his friends, hair mussed, absolutely filthy, and proud of himself.” He’s a normal, happy, rambunctious, confident child. Even more critically, in Aftermath: Life Debt, we hear how Leia sensed Ben’s budding little personality in her womb, and the person he’s going to become: “…she is suddenly aware of her child’s mind and spirit: she senses pluck and wit and steel blood and a keen mind and by the blood of Alderaan is this one going to be a fighter!”
So that’s the tiny bit we get about Ben’s character, as little as we’re shown of what he used to be like: he has an incredibly strong will. He’s a fighter. That is the grain of information that suggests who he was, who he is and who he’ll eventually be. He got into this mess by fighting, and he might get out by fighting as well. It all depends on what he’s fighting for.
(Thanks to @hausofodin for helping me remember that Luke quote.)
Kylo wears a helmet because he’s extremely anxious about his appearance and thinks he’s hideous. Hux finally figures this out and soothes him through a panic attack.
Excerpt: Ren’s chest was rising and falling, but he was not answering. Hux feared he was not conscious. He’d need to get that blasted bucket off him to see if he had head injuries as well. He lifted his hands and began feeling for the release latches.
“Don’t.” Ren feebly raised a hand and pushed at Hux.
“Ren. You have been hurt, this has to come off so I can ascertain if you have a concussion or something worse. Not to mention that I imagine you will breathe more comfortably without it.”
Ren floundered for an explanation.“I…I am never seen without my helmet.”